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The Popular Syndrome Of Shrinking The Drum Set And Cymbals
Today I came across and interesting thread about why modern drummers are shrinking their drum set and cymbals.
It seems that there is a common trend these days to reduce the number of drums and cymbals on the drum set. This is particularly interesting given that during the 70′s and particularly 80′s, many rockstar drummers had massive drum sets that sometimes seemed a little over the top. This trend was seen especially among heavy metal and hard rock drummers such as Van Halen, Neil Peart, and Simon Phillips and I suppose even Phil Collins from Genesis was up there.
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A few differing opinions were put forward on this topic.
It was argued that adding at least one more tom tom and floor tom and a few more cymbals would surely provide extra versatility than a smaller, simpler drum set.
Others believed that by having a smaller kit it is much easier to carry around to gigs etc. Not to mention that a smaller set wouldn’t take as much room in a house or garage compared to a large drum set.
As a drummer myself, I have believed both arguments to be true. When I started playing I thought that if I had more drums to hit, it would sound better – especially looking up to drummers such as Jose Pasillas II from Incubus. Jose still remains my favorite drummer, but over the years of playing gigs and being responsible for lugging my own gear around town, my initial thoughts began to be persuaded by the practicality of having a large drum set and cymbals.
Ultimately, I think the smaller the drum set and the fewer cymbals you have, the better you are forced to play. Plus, it’s certainly a cheaper alternative.
So think about it. By having a smaller drum set you could actually become a better drummer.
What do you think?
Feel free to leave a comment and I will respond to any questions you may have.
Cheers,
Greg Beazley
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about 3 years ago
As someone who worked in the music industry for years, and worked with many drummers of varying skill, I totally agree. While there are definitely exceptions (in both directions), I generally find an inverse relationship between drum kit size and skill – more drums = less skill. I have distinct memories of seeing iggy pop live, being blown away by the awesomeness of his drummer, and that he only had 2 toms! Almost the simplest kit possible, but he rocked it, in every sense of the word.
about 3 years ago
Hi Mark, Thanks for your comment. I think your formula explains it well. More drums = less skill. Although this isnt always true, it does say a lot.
Cheers!
Greg
about 2 years ago
You should check out MuteMath. Amazing drummer and only uses a four piece kit with hi hats and a crash/ride. Jose is my fav too though… If I had someone to set up my stuff, I would probably have a pretty big kit.
about 1 year ago
Hey! I thought a lot about this topic as well. My perspective is that when forced to play on a smaller kit, you find new ideas and ways to play what you have on front of you rather than more cymbals e.t.c, and I think it shows great skill to do so. Plus I agree, Jose is one of my idols but I ain't setting that shit up every gig haha
about 1 year ago
Haha, thanks for the comment. I wonder if I ever became a rock star whether I would start expanding my kit again, just because I'd have a roadie to set-up everything?
about 1 year ago
this is great ive bookmarked this one hehe
about 1 year ago
if i became i rockstar i dont know what i would do, great article
about 1 year ago
Hello. Great job, if I wasn’t so busy with my school work I read your total site. Thanks!
about 1 year ago
I think it forces you to be more creative and listen to the drums, and even focus on the beat instead of which cymbal is next or the ‘im going to do a roll on all three toms’ thing. I started out with 2 toms and a floor. Since my friend indefinetly borrowed my floor, ive mounted the 13in on a cymbal stand in the floor position and now it looks like a 4 piece kit. I dont worry about how I’ll set up this roll or which tom is better. I only have one rack tom now and I think it’s loads better. I can bring my stands in and have more room for cymbal placement. But I still like a healthy array of cymbals… but not like bozzio or even john otto. Just healthy
about 9 months ago
Would a guitarist be happy to take off one of his strings and play with only five? Of course not, because it would limit what he could do. Sure, it might make him think more and develop some new techniques, but he'd lose a lot of musicality and technique too, because there were less options open to him as a musician. Ultimately the music would sound worse because he was playing an inferior instrument.
Likewise a drummer will lose out by having a smaller kit because he has less 'notes' to play from which to build his sound.
about 9 months ago
Of course it means you are a better drummer. All you need is a snare, Hi Hat and Kick Drum. It's like guitarists who use heaps of effects pedals and play through marshall stacks. The best players plug straight into a 20w amp and use the notes on the scales to create interest – not a wah wah etc.
Having a massive kit (unless yo are an insane metal player) is almost like you have something to hide. Best example of simplicity + bliss is Steve Jordan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZhisRbim-c
I'm not a big fill man though. I guess it's preference. All you need is a good groove